Space Shuttle explodiert

[Yoda]

@sorus
natürlich gibt es technik, körper auf (über-)lichtgeschwindigkeit zu bringen. sie wird uns nur vorenthalten

 

[Nabelschnur]

Hmm, dass mit den Reichsdeutschen hab ich eigentlich als Scherz geneint, aber egaaal!

 

[captainfuture]

Also ich tät mich schon nicht dran stören, wenn Gott mal einen überdimensionalen Schriftzug: "Go home" über dem Weissen Haus aufblitzen liesse.

Wow, das würde einige offene Fragen hier in den Foren auf einen Schlag klären!

You people are sick!

Each and every Space Shuttle mission is extremely dangerous. In the 14 years that I worked at White Sands Missile Range, I have personally seen many rockets explode. What is amazing, is how few problems the American Space Program has had over the years.

Obviously, it will take months until NASA is able to figure out the exact cause of this tragic accident. However, any physics student should be able to identify the most probable causes. On every single Space Shuttle mission, some of the thermal tiles break off, and this is expected.

If enough tiles break off during the "fire ball" stage of reentry, then the Shuttle will simply melt. What caused so many of the tiles to break off in such a catastrophic manner will the the focus of the investigation.

What I have read so far on this website today is not only shocking, but absolutely disgusting. Each and every one of you should hang your heads in shame.

It is one thing to have different political views between Germany and the United States. That is expected and actually appreciated.

to be honest ... i have to completely agree with hunble on this ! nasa and the space agencies all around the world have been quite lucky the last 30 years with only few accidents. flying a space shuttle is not just like driving a car or flying a plane ...

 

[captainfuture]

Und man kann sogar Teilchen auf Überlich beschleunigen
Der Wert c bezieht sich auf die Geschwindikeit im Vakuum, in anderen Umgebungen ist Licht wesentlich langsamer.

(siehe BdW Februarausgabe)

aber auch in anderen medien wird licht die höchste geschwindigkeit erreichen und keine anderen teilchen ....

 

[Guest]

Das war mir schon klar dass das mit dem Ufo der Reichsdeutschen ein Scherz war, aber ich fand es gerade deswegen einfach nur gut.

@ Yoda: Na klar, die Technik wird uns vorenthalten. Woher hast du dass denn nun schon wieder? Gibts Beweise dafür? Schon wieder so ein Unsinn wie ich meine. Aber das ist meine Meinung, vielleicht irre ich mich ja und es gibt auch kleine grüne Männchen und die Ghostbuster waren kein Film, sondern eine Autobiographie der real existierenden Geisterjäger.

Gruß
Sorus

 

[Hunble]

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[Hunble]

[quote="captainfutureto be honest ... i have to completely agree with hunble on this ! nasa and the space agencies all around the world have been quite lucky the last 30 years with only few accidents. flying a space shuttle is not just like driving a car or flying a plane ...[/quote]

Thanks Bildupload. With the space program, this represents all humans, and when we have a space vehicle destroyed, each and every human on Earth has lost something.

Politics is one thing and expected between people. But the space program represents each and every single one of us as humans.

Today, we lost something special.

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Dank Bildupload. Mit dem Raumprogramm stellt dieses alle Menschen dar, und wenn wir einen Raumträger zerstören lassen, hat jedes, das auf Masse menschlich ist, etwas verloren. Politik ist eine Sache und erwartet zwischen Leuten. Aber das Raumprogramm stellt jedes single eins von uns als Menschen dar. Heute verloren wir spezielles etwas.

 

[Guest]

2. Es war der erste Jude überhaupt. In der Challenger war kein Jude oder Jüdin.

http://www.google.de/search?q=cache...re+challenger+jüdin&hl=de&lr=lang_de&ie=UTF-8

Bei N-TV haben Sie aber noch einmal darüber berichtet und sagten, das Judith Resnik die erste Jüdin gewesen ist.

Sie sprechen momentan auch nicht von den ersten Juden sondern von dem ersten ISRAELI. Judith Resnik war Jüdische Amerikanerin.

 

[Hunble]

Shuttle Debris Rains on Texas, Blackens Earth / STS-107
Yahoo News ^ | 2/1/03 | Jon Herskovitz - Reuters


Posted on 02/01/2003 2:51 PM CST by NormsRevenge


RICE, Texas (Reuters) - Debris from space shuttle Columbia rained down onto fields and highways in Texas on Saturday, with witnesses coming across smoldering metal wreckage, including what appeared to be a door from the orbiter, local officials and eyewitnesses said.



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A 100-mile-long debris cloud of ash and metal fragments also spread over the state's wide open rural spaces and into neighboring Louisiana, local weather officials said.


One piece of wreckage about three feet by five feet was smoldering in a field near Rice, Texas, just off Interstate 45 about 45 miles south of Dallas.


Police were urging vehicles that slowed to look at the site to keep moving away from the toxic debris along the highway that links Houston and Dallas.


On one Texan field, wisps of gray smoke rose from a huge patch of blackened grass where debris had scorched the earth.


The seven astronauts aboard the shuttle were killed after U.S. space agency NASA (news - web sites) lost contact with them about 9 a.m.


Residents across eastern Texas heard three loud explosions and saw streams of vapor before watching debris rain from the spacecraft, Larry Mars a police detective in Palestine, Texas, said.


Television images showed Columbia, which was completing a 16-day mission, appeared to explode above Texas, immediately leaving several white trails across brilliant blue skies.


It was traveling 12,500 miles per hour at 207,000 feet above Earth -- only 16 minutes from its scheduled landing at Kennedy Space Center (news - web sites) in Florida.


There were no reports of injuries or damage on the ground from the debris that appeared to be scattered over a vast area of 120 square miles.


Local weather officials estimated the lighter material in the debris cloud would take up to 10 hours to finish falling, while all big pieces had likely already hit the ground.


DEBRIS COVERS COLLEGE CITY


Officials in Nacogdoches, Texas, said residents reported spotting many pieces of the debris dispersed throughout the college city of about 30,000 people, located about 145 miles northeast of Houston.


The ruins ranged in size and the city had received one report of a door from the shuttle being found, she added.


"We do have a debris field. It is scattered all throughout Nacogdoches," city manager Victoria Lafollett said.


"The number of pieces being reported is just impossible to keep up with, she said. "Some are very small, some are larger," she said.


NASA scrambled rescue units to search for wreckage and recover the remains of the crew, which included the first Israeli to fly on the shuttle, former combat pilot Col. Ilan Ramon. The rest of the crew consisted of six Americans, four men and two women.


Bush administration officials said there was no indication the breakup was due to terrorism.

But a White House spokesman said Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge spoke to Texas Gov. Rick Perry and homeland security officials in Louisiana and Oklahoma because wreckage was also believed to have rained down into those states.

NASA warned people to stay clear of the smoldering debris.

"Any debris that is located in the Dallas-Fort Worth vicinity should be avoided and may be hazardous due to the toxic nature of propellants used on board the shuttle and should be reported to local law enforcement authorities," NASA mission control in Houston said.

 

[Hunble]

I will not even attempt to translate this into German. Those who can understand English, PLEASE translate this news for others to read on this website.

 

[Hunble]

Astronomer saw shuttle apparently in trouble over California
San Diego Union Tribune ^ | 02/01/03 | John Antczak


Posted on 02/01/2003 4:25 PM CST by socal_parrot


By John Antczak
ASSOCIATED PRESS

12:03 a.m., February 1, 2003

LOS ANGELES – Space shuttle Columbia appeared to begin trailing fiery debris as it passed over Eastern California early Saturday, well before its destruction over Texas, according to a California Institute of Technology astronomer who witnessed its fiery transit.

Anthony Beasley observed the shuttle's re-entry from outside his home in Bishop, Calif., near Caltech's Owens Valley Radio Observatory, where he is project manager of the Combined Array for Research in Millimeter-wave Astronomy.

"As it tracked from west to east over the Owens Valley it was leaving a bright trail. As it actually moved over the valley there were a couple of flashes. ... Then we could see there were things clearly trailing the orbiter subsequent to that," Beasley said.

Beasley said he, his wife, Anne, and mother-in-law, Anne Finley, had gone outside in the early morning darkness to watch the re-entry from the small town 225 miles north of Los Angeles. He said the sky was clear and dark, and the shuttle was immediately visible when it cleared the Sierra Nevada peaks to the west of Bishop.

He said he had never witnessed a shuttle re-entry before and is not an authority on shuttles, but he immediately thought Columbia was having problems.

"In particular, there was one very clear event where there was a piece that backed off the orbiter. ... It was giving off its own light, then it slowly fell from visibility," he said.

Beasley said he thought the shuttle might be losing some of the heat-resistant tiles that protect it during the fiery re-entry. He said he did not learn of the shuttle's destruction until he went to the observatory and compared notes with two news photographers who had arranged to photograph the re-entry through a telescope.

Beasley said they compared notes and all agreed they had seen what he termed "the bright event, the third event."

"The analogy, I think, is it looked like the shuttle dropped a flare," he said.

He described the scene again: "Pretty soon after we started to see it track there were brief flashes of light. It would sort of flash a little bit and there was an indication of material trailing the orbiter. They would sort of disappear from view. ... That happened two or three times. One of these was very bright. It was a very clear thing. It separated itself from where the orbiter is. It sort of fell behind in the trail and it was burning itself. It was hot itself ... and then the orbiter continued heading toward Texas."


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Sorry, babblefish is unable to provide a good translation. I am relying upon the Germans who do understand English to translate this for others to read.

 

[Korben]

Neben dem Schicksal der getöteten Astronauten hat dieser Vorfall natürlich auch weitere weitreichende Konsequenzen:

- was wird aus der ISS ?

- wird die USA die bemannte Raumfahrt einschränken/beenden ?

- werden die Shuttles überhaupt noch einmal starten ?


sad Korben

 

[Hunble]

As much as I hate to say this, I honestly hope that NASA will be eliminated because of this disaster today.

Why? I grew up with the space program and my father would allow me to be absent from school when NASA launched a rocked. My earliest memory was when the U.S. lauched Ham, the Monkey into orbit.

Today, NASA has become another government organization and is no longer efficient.

Do not get me wrong, I absolutely want humans in space!

But today, it is time for NASA to be dissolved and turn space over to private industries.

If you are a Socialist, then is a horrible concept! But, if you understand the abilities of private industries to achieve the desired results, then you would agree with me and request this change.

The European Space Agency has followed the concept of a private industry and has done an outstanding job the last few years.
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Soviel wie, ich hasse, dieses zu sagen, ich ehrlich hoffen, daß die NASA wegen dieses Unfalles heute beseitigt wird. Warum? Ich wuchs mit dem Raumprogramm auf und mein Vater würde mir erlauben, von der Schule abwesend zu sein, als die NASA geschaukelt ausstieß. Mein frühestes Gedächtnis war, als die VEREINIGTEN STAATEN Schinken lauched, der Affe in Bahn. Heute ist die NASA eine andere Regierung Organisation geworden und ist nicht mehr leistungsfähig. Erhalten Sie mir Unrecht nicht, ich wünschen absolut Menschen im Raum! Aber heute, ist es Zeit für die NASA, und Umdrehung Raum zu den privaten Industrien rüber aufgelöst zu werden. Wenn Sie ein sozialistisches sind, ist dann ein schreckliches Konzept! Aber, wenn Sie die Fähigkeiten der privaten Industrien verstehen, die gewünschten Resultate zu erzielen, dann würden Sie mit mir einverstandenSEIN und um diese Änderung bitten. Die Europäische Weltraumorganisation hat dem Konzept einer privaten Industrie gefolgt und hat eine hervorragende Arbeit die letzten Jahre erledigt.

 

[Korben]

@Hunble

Sicherlich benötigt jede Regierungsorganisation andauernd Reformen und Effizienz; jedoch wäre eine komplette Privatisierung der NASA aus meiner Sicht zu kurzsichtig.
Natürlich können viele Forschungsvorhaben ein privates Interesse haben und daher auch Geldgeber. Aber bei der Grundlagenforschung sehe ich dies nicht.
Welche privaten (seriösen) Kapitalgeber könnten schon bei der Erforschung von Planeten etc. Geld mittelfristig verdienen ?
Somit würden wichtige Vorhaben wahrscheinlich für andere geopfert.

Als traditionell skeptischer Europäer halte ich staatliche Aufsicht nicht für grundsätzlich schlecht.


by the way: die ESA-Strategie wird maßgeblich durch die EU kontrolliert.

 

[Hunble]

[quote="Korben]
by the way: die ESA-Strategie wird maßgeblich durch die EU kontrolliert.[/quote]

I am willing to listen to new ideas.

We have both Americans and Europeans attacking America for waisting money on the space program that should be spent on "poor people."

Of course, nobody ever defines the term "poor people" and what income level that is. In the majority of World countries, what Americans label as "poor people" would be considered as extremely wealthy in other countries such as South Africa.

That is a fact and not subject to debate.

Something drastic has happened to the people in the Germany that I love and respect.

I admit that this website represents tiny minority of the German population, but I have been simply astounded from what I have read.

 

[struppo_gong]

gut das es ungefähr 10000mal im fernsehen kam,während den ganzen tag seit der ersten minute auf cnn keine einzige information dazukam.
und auch n brennpunkt.
ich frag mich was der typ ,der vor kurzem die chessnar in frankfurt innenstadt geflogen hat ,um an das challenger unglück zu errinnern, dazu sagt.

hmm ...die leude die ausm weltraum kommen sagen doch immer ey macht mal friede und so , da oben ist alles so klein was hier so gross ist.
schade das der israeli das nicht mehr machen kann.
stattdessen sind sie explodiert.
fast schon ironie. aber tragisch.

 

[Hunble]

gut das es ungefähr 10000mal im fernsehen kam,während den ganzen tag seit der ersten minute auf cnn keine einzige information dazukam.
und auch n brennpunkt.
ich frag mich was der typ ,der vor kurzem die chessnar in frankfurt innenstadt geflogen hat ,um an das challenger unglück zu errinnern, dazu sagt.

hmm ...die leude die ausm weltraum kommen sagen doch immer ey macht mal friede und so , da oben ist alles so klein was hier so gross ist.
schade das der israeli das nicht mehr machen kann.
stattdessen sind sie explodiert.
fast schon ironie. aber tragisch.

Even with the bablefish translation, I have no idea what you said.

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Sogar mit der bablefish Übersetzung, habe ich keine Idee, was Sie sagten.

 

[Trasher]

Ich hoffe nicht, daß dieser Unfall zu einem längeren Aus für die bemannte Raumfahrt führt und daß an dem Ausbau der ISS festgehalten wird.

Es muss einfach weitergehen.

 

[Narya]

@Trasher:
Ich hoffe mit..... :|

Ich bin mir nciht sicher ob dieser Link heute schon geposted wurde, hat Wowbagger mich drauf aufmerksam gemacht:
http://www.weltverschwoerung.de/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=5225

 

[struppo_gong]

i want to see my translation.
translation robots are funky.
is bablefish free. where can i get /use it.
i said that everybody that comes from space tells the people that all their matters are so small when you look at the blue planet from far away. but the israeli guy cant do that no more. instead he blew up .which is kind of ironic.considering the israeli peace process and the whole situation.